18 wins in a tough battle. Vegeta gets angry when Bills slap his wife and proceeds to hit Bills a few times, when Goku SSJ3 couldnt do anything when he challenged Bills to a 'demonstrative' fight on Kai' planet. Lol It's not like Bills was caught off guard by Vegeta's power since he was the one who landed the first punch. Second, he will go for the kill immediately while Goku will job around first. But because Goku does have instant transmission, he has the ability to dodge attacks easier than Vegeta does and can surprise attack Vegeta. Goku always has help, as he does in all his fights. Goku wouldn’t have to become a 10 to match Vegeta, so when they come together their base power is 150. It's either a stalemate, or Goku wins like during the Saiyan Saga. Goku was named Kakarot at birth. Piccolo and Tien are the best fighters though:D Too bad they got sh*t on in power as it progressed. Vegeta beat Goku without any cheating at all. But in his fight with Goky when they were both SSJ2 Goky got beat because Vegeta was a little bit amped. With Dragon Ball Z Resurrection F finally making it so Goku & Vegeta are on the same level, based on their weaknesses, who do you think will win a fight?! He had one tool that they both should have. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. It's a technique that is used by Goku but you can think of it as the boxer tells the opponent that the boxer is going to grab a knife then runs outside the ring and charges into the locker room to grab a knife and runs back to the ring to fight against the opponent. Vegeta 8/10. As for the first fight during the Saiyan Saga.....that was the closest Vegeta has ever come IMO. Why Vegeta couldnt achieve SSJ3? Vegeta is the better fighter but in terms of power Goku wins I don't think Vegeta would last long against SSJ3 but since morals are on Goku might fight on even terms which might give Vegeta the edge. Honestly, I don't know who decided to ask this question, but I'll answer it anyway. Character A has to be more powerful than Character B to win and a Super Saiyan 2 is not more powerful than a Super Saiyan 3. And, I don't think Goku even came out on top. Demonstrative or not, we both know that is extremely out of character for Goku to hold back on an 'interesting' opponent, and opponent who can really test his skills. 1. But, like I said above, this is just my opinion and we have no way of really verifying its veracity. Vegeta has decades of real combat experience vs Sauske and has dealt with a vast variety of special abilities as evidence in Saiyan Saga when he mentions he had seen something similar to the Kaioken attack used by Goku. No, he didn't. Z fighters vs Vegeta = Vegeta lost, couldn’t fight or move anymore. If they are even is power level and such, Vegeta should win.Vegeta has beaten Goku every time they have fought. While most Dragon Ball fans believe that Super Saiyan 4 Goku wouldn’t stand a chance against Super Saiyan Blue Goku, the truth is that it’s very hard … But would have been lame I think if Goku did go all SSJ3........there would have been absolutely no contest. Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta, however, put up a pretty impressive fight against Bills. 'Dragon Ball' Reveals Who Would Win a Gogeta vs. Vegito Fight. Gohan couldn't even defeat Cell without Goku having his hand in it somehow. Vegeta beat Goku up 100%, just didn’t kill him. An Off-the-Wall Battle Spells the End of the Earth?! 40.48% (68 votes) 68. I'll consider actually posting later explaining why. To the people debating about vegeta and goku at the end of the buu saga did vegeta not get a boost before the final fight due to dying? 10.12% (17 votes) 17. Evidence, Susano-Can be breached with enough force it is not impenetrable shown by the 1st Hokage vs Madara who sheathed his Susano around the 9 tails and the 1st cracked it open with a Sage Mode infused Wood Style attack. And while all that is happening, the opponent tries to take the boxer out. And even so…Vegeta did 'technically' win this fight…. @pope052: Goku is very unreliable aswell as he keeps getting injured, dies or has to travel extremely long distances to help his friends. Vegeta won the 1st battle, 2nd was a draw. On the flipside, Vegeta defeating Moro ignores the Ultra Instinct … No spirit fusion. EP 1 A Peacetime Reward: Who Gets the 100,000,000 Zeni? Vegeta says could beat Dabura, and Goku was equal to Vegeta even after Vegeta … Are the Goku vs Vegeta fights considered a win for Vegeta - Results (168 votes) Vegeta won both. Trunks notices that Vegeta's ki is disappearing, and quickly flies to him, and Goten follows. Vegeta would have killed Goku regardless if it wasn't for outside help. 4 years ago. In this one I will be doing a who would win between … See where i'm going with this? Goku spent a very long time in SSJ so I believe he could be better at energy conservation and is able to use it to its full extent more effectively. It is a good showing because it showed his attacks surpass Goku's atmospheric sense. Vegeta allowed himself to succumb to the majin and Goku was dead. 4 years ago. But he only had experience from ruling other planet. This is really why I don't like DBZ debates at all. Plus a … Goku should really always win. Dragon Ball Super introduced one of the most powerful transformations ever seen in the Saiyan race and quite surprisingly, it was Vegeta, and not Goku, who figured it out.It gave the Saiyan Prince the kind of energy only Gods possess. How is Goku being dead 'cheating'? http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2012/09/26/toeis-press-release-for-upcoming-dragon-ball-z-movie/. 1.79% (3 votes) 3. Round 3: Edo Tensei Madara w/ Hashirama DNA & Jinjuriki Obito Uchiha (captured the power of all tailed beast) vs Super Saiyan Vegeta & Super Saiyan Nappa And, I don't know if you know or not, but (apparently) Toriyama was not a big fan of the multipliers or power levels beyond the end of the namek saga. and what a better way to fire up the rivalry by including the protagonists rival into the fray! Now I would say that at most Goku and Vegeta are at 7.5. In the manga, Kakarot was born on Planet Vegeta three years before its destruction, while in the anime Goku was born shortly before the destruction of the planet. Vegeta's a great fighter and strategist, but as shown during his battles with Recoome (I think that's how he spelled it) of the Ginyu Force, Android 18, and Perfect Cell, if he sustains too much damage in the course of a battle, he WILL adopt a "No mas, no mas" type of stance and sit on the sidelines nursing his wounds. Each Saiyan had their time to shine. Goku wouldn’t have to become a 10 to match Vegeta, so when they come together their base power is 150. Not even once? I always figured it was a toss up, either or depending on who is having the better day. I've always seen Goku as a combative genius. He didn't 'prep' himself to fight Goku at all. True, Dragon Ball Z is notorious for inconsistency but I don't think this applies. Beerus one shotted him while heavily suppressed. No one has ever exactly 'prepped' in DBZ. When Frieza destroyed Planet Vegeta, Goku survived as he was being sent to Earth. 7 Goku And Vegeta… It just seems like Vegeta is truly the more powerful hero…Goku is just the protagonist. On the other hand though, it would be unfair if one wrestler had a knife, and the other did not, that would be unfair. Goku wins. I totally agree with this statement. Goku is always seen as being ahead of Vegeta. Sure, if he was angered he may have been more aggressive, but the fact still stands that he (likely) wasn't holding back yet was squashed. And Nappa was no help at all. , the anime rivalry of the century! Now that all continuities became 1 who would win Goku starts in MUI Flash starts at top speed If it’s a stomp in anybody’s favor goku gets vegeta … Press J to jump to the feed. Robert M. 1 decade ago. Lost your password? It's not unfair to be better or stronger than you're opponent. And handling offworld planetary missions that frieza's elite force had difficulty. People take this s Vegeta being the best forever and always has been! He didn't finish the fight with a cheap shot, they agreed to finish their fight to fight Majin Buu together. EP 69 Goku vs. Arale! As Vegeta begins to disappear, Goku faces the duplicate Vegeta! There is logic behind the idea with the knife but the analogy isn't that good. So with Vegeta having the ability to multiply his power level by 10 due to his ability to turn into a Great Ape is actually really similar with Goku's ability to double, triple, quadruple, etc his power level due to him knowing this skill called Kaio-Ken. Speaking on that, he even wanted to end the series after namek but was compelled by fans, and bosses alike to continue on. Given the fact that the fight was pretty even, even though Vegeta was blood lusted and amped by babidi, he even makes mention of how before the amp he realized Goku in his SS2 state was stronger then he was, 13.20 into the vid. It's a part of his power set, like a transformation into a super saiyan. Wiz: Heroes that are battling it out today but which one will come out on top? Comparing their KI techniques is pointless, because they are both did very well techniques at their way. That right there concluded Goku vs Vegeta with Vegeta as the very established winner. He's already more skilled than Vegeta, in my opinion, but he'll also be reading Vegeta like a book and countering his every move midway through the battle. 7.2 Ko! Meh. Alright what's going on guys it's Trev back again here to bring you another video. And, BotG is canon. a less powerful character managing to hit someone when he gets angry and surprises the someone). Duplicate Vegeta fires a barrage of energy blasts at Goku, who manages to block them. I've just looked at the Kanzenshuu rating of Super Saiyan 3 and it states that the form is actually 4 times more powerful than the Super Saiyan 2 form but that could be a mistranslation. After Yajirobe removes Vegeta’s tail, he states he STILL has enough power to kill every last one of them, demonstrating it by knocking out Yajirobe and Krillin and then going after Gohan. Plus Goku has instant transmission. And when the fight starts, is Vegeta rooting for…his clone?! Fight was already put on hold when Vegeta knocked Goku out. Lv 6. Will the favorite son of Krypton, Superman (Repped by James) find the strength of an Octillion Megaton blast is enough to defeat the Super Saiyan Goku (Repped by Ray) or will the favorite son of the planet Vegeta win … Goku is indeed not very smart, he was still a child inside. One on one fight: Black Widow vs Yamcha Hawk Eye vs Tien Nick Fury vs Krillin Wolverine vs Vegeta Captain America vs Future Trunks Ironman vs Android 18 The Hulk vs Gohan Spiderman vs Piccolo Thor vs Goku Sorry but I think the Avengers win. 7.1 Fight! Spirit Bomb's power is not from Goku at all. They are physical fighters in a universe that has crazy non-physical powers which they are not prepared for. According to your logic every fight in DBZ is unfair, and now every victory is lessened. LOL, Vegeta is always living in Goku's shadow. How do you gauge it? I always thought the Goku vs Vegeta debate was kinda pointless. ?If Goku had went 3 and just stompped Vegeta, then we could just say Goku win's. Vegeta even killed him before the fight started lol. My point has nothing to do with Goku or Vegeta, but with Bills and the history of the series (i.e. Even if Krillen killed him, he still would have had more of a victory than Goku. The mere fact that it was a demonstrative fight - and that Kai was freaking out about Bills getting angry, pretty much confirms that Goku wasnt fighting at 100% full power. in Buu saga Vegeta admits he is better than him. I'm sure you would agree SS2 Vegeta without the Majin amp fighting SS2 Goku, both given the same moral standard, either on or off, would end in yet another beat down for Akira Toriyama's favorite whipping boy, it may seem like I don't like Vegeta much which isn't the case, I actually find him to be more interesting and and overall more badass than Goku but you have to call it like it is. RELATED: ... 5 NEEDED HELP: Goku Vs Vegeta. Vegeta tricked Goku, then used a sneak attack to KO him so he could finish Buu alone. Relevance. Goku is really tenacious and Vegeta is too stubborn and proud to give up so it would be a really long and bloody fight. Goku has never fought Vegeta on completely fair grounds. Just because Goku is a super saiyan 3 does not mean he is 4 times stronger than super saiyan 2 Vegeta. But never is that shown to be the case in an overall fight, mainly due to Goku being the protagonist of DBZ. Your points would have more merit were it not for the fact that in the ordinary Super Saiyan forms, Goku and Vegeta are roughly equals in power during the Buu saga. Gohan was a Super Saiyan 2, and Cell wasn't, the fight is now unfair. At base level though he is probably only at Full Power Namek Frieza. I don't think Ultimate is that far ahead. If you had two wrestlers facing each other in a match, it wouldn't exactly be 'unfair' if one was vastly better. Though honestly I'm kinda split on this fight. Considering in their last encounter, Vegeta was completely blood lusted and amped by Babidi, to what degree is uncertain but taking into consideration both Spopovich and Yamu where amped quite a bit, one can come to the conclusion that Vegeta was as well, finishing a fight with a cheap shot to a opponent who has his back turned can hardly be considered a good showing or taken as a victory given he was obviously going for the kill but was unable to do so with a opponent who unlike himself wasn't blood lusted or amped by outside sources, and didn't want to fight in the first place. The Saiyan Prince, in particular, cannot stand Goku … Goku is overall just a smarter and better fighter. Goku just has too many ways to deal with Vegeta. Aesop. I wouldn't call saiyan saga round 3 an FFA. Overall Earth wins, Goku stated that he would beat Vegeta next time, giving Vegeta the win but in Vegeta's mind, he still lost to Goku. Thus, in order for your arguments to hold more weight than they do, Vegeta would have to be Goku's clear superior. In what way is Vegeta more "skilled" than Goku? So, if he really was against multipliers, then maybe this was his way of showing it. I would say in a even match, if one of the two individuals was amped and had more motivation to win the fight than that individual would be considered to have been on the losing end of the fight, Not exactly sure how Goku was amped, I certainly wouldn't consider being dead a amp, I don't believe it increases your power any, but we can both agree that Vegeta was and if Spopovich and Yamu are any indication, it was quite the amp. It's iffy. It's either a stalemate, or Goku wins like during the Saiyan Saga. It's not really unfair that Vegeta had his tail. coming back to techniques, i think the only advantage that could make Goku win is Instant transmission, other than that i think it can go either way, Vegeta should win as he is more skilled but only in the short run.If the match goes on longer than Goku due to Goku's ability to adapt well the longer he stays in combat. And yes, it is an unfair advantage. Goku's weakness is his compassion. about techniques, i wouldn't say that Goku knows more techniques than Vegeta, because what i hate about DBZ is that the fights changed from tachniques and strategies to pure power and energy levels. a weaker character surprising someone stronger). Little off topic but Gohan is most likely stronger than goku. So, why couldn't Vegeta just have become more powerful than Goku in BotG?? 7 0. Goku has managed to achieve everything vegeta wanted in life before he did. Even if it was tricked into letting his guard down, the fact is he was put down. But he didn't and with equal power at SSJ2, they were even until Vegeta tricked him and knocked him out.So, over all, Vegeta shows greater historic feats against Goku.Thus he would win the fair fight. So, IMO, this is his way of ending the silly multiplier business. 19 Answers. I mean like at the end of gt, when they both went ssj4. That's a fact. Assuming that he wasn't fighting at %100 or close to it, why would Goku continue to let himself be outclassed when he had more power at his disposal? It would be nice if they showed more of vegeta when he was a kid. Vegeta would have killed him if it were not for his Gohan, Krillin, and the fat guy jumping in. goku/vegeta vs naruto/sasuke?who will win? Bills is by definition a god level being able to obliterate the much more powerful Super Saiyan 3 form in one finger flick and one karate chop. I would even say it is highly debatable that Vegeta has better tactics than Goku. 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